Thursday, September 16, 2004

Sunday: The Battle for Marriage

Two nights ago I had the honor of attending a fundraising dinner for the Family Research Council. I was excited because this was the first time I got to hear Gary Bauer speak in person, as well as the President of the FRC, Tony Perkins.

The message these two godly men gave was both encouraging and calming. We are in serious times, friends, and unless the Church decides to vote and start getting involved, our nation is continue to go down the sewer.

Gary Bauer spoke about the two wars going on in our nation right now. The first war is the war inside America concerning marriage and how it will be defined....or redefined. The second war is the war with Islam and other terrorists. It was a very sobering message, and one that needs to be shouted from the rooftop.

Tony Perkins also spoke about these issues, but he also shared some good news going on in our nation. He shared how the Pastors in this country are begining to wake up and he also shared that many of the pro-family organizations in this country are actually meeting together for prayer and action so that we can be united against the enemies that would want to destroy this nation.

The bottom line? We need to vote and we need to get informed as Christians.

I want to urge you to view this video (about 5 minutes) and then see where you can go and view Sunday's Battle for Marriage Simulcast. It is VITAL that you become involved today!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes your writing is so funny that I laugh and laugh and laugh. You have a real knack for satire, Stacy.


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September 16, 2004 at 5:09 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

Jon Stewart on the Federal Marriage Amendment Senate Debate....


September 17, 2004 at 3:33 PM  
Blogger einvolved said...

LOL...I've seen that clip before and really the very end is true. Two straight parents are better than one straight parent, which is definitely better than two gay parents which is equal to a guy screwing a turtle! Homosexuality is not normal, and kids shouldnt' be raised in it.

September 17, 2004 at 4:12 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

So Stacy, you really think that two gay parents are equivalent to a man screwing a turtle?

September 17, 2004 at 4:18 PM  
Blogger einvolved said...

I think anyone having sex with a turtle is gross and I think two women or two men who are having sex with one another is gross and not normal.

Stewart is the one who interpreted the congressman's quote and took it out of context, which is all I quoted.

But to answer your question, of course not, I do not think a gay couple's sex life is equivalent to a person who chooses to have sex with a turtle or any other animal. But having sex with someone of the same gender is not how we were designed and I consider it deviant behavior, just like I think sex with animals is deviant.

September 17, 2004 at 4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So do straight parents make their kids watch them have sex or do the "defenders of marriage" think that only gays do?

September 17, 2004 at 4:56 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

Thanks for answering..... I guess to be fair to Cornyn, he apparently didn't really say this - but his staff put it in his prepared remarks to the Heritage Foundation - and sent the remarks - with the idiotic quote - to the press. A google search on "cornyn box turtle" will get more of the blog commentary on this issue.

September 17, 2004 at 4:57 PM  
Blogger einvolved said...

Yup, and that's one reason I like The Daily Show because even though I might not agree with Jon Stewart's point of view, he is still very funny! And you have to laugh at this stuff once in awhile.

September 17, 2004 at 4:59 PM  
Blogger einvolved said...

Anonymous - good question - What do YOU think, obviously you have a view on the issue seeing you brought it up. Please share.

September 17, 2004 at 5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's very simple. Conservatives can't seem to keep their minds out of other people's bedrooms. They spend enormous time worrying about what their neighbors might be doing and not enough time trying to fix the real world problems.

I know several gay parents with wonderful kids who would never subject their kids to the kind of environments that James Dobson likes to envision.

How many gay families do you know?

September 17, 2004 at 5:05 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

Gay obsession is NOT conservative.... It's simply a rather creepy fascination with gay sex.... And the threads on Free Republic reveal this.... Gay threads frequently are littered with terms like "fudgepackers", "log samplin republicans", "new butt order" etc.... Now I'm no expert in the bible, but I don't recall Jesus being particularly interested in this subject.

September 17, 2004 at 5:12 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

Stacy - thanks for answering - but your question raises another question. You find both bestiality and homosexuality "deviant"....

Which is MORE deviant?

A person having sex with an animal, or a person having sex with another person of the same gender.

And is it less deviant with a bestial encounter if that encounter is of the heterosexual variety?

The FMA has a big loophole you see.... It does NOT ban male female interspecies marriage.... There is something proposed called the FARM amendment that would do that.... But no one has introduced it in congress.

September 17, 2004 at 5:26 PM  
Blogger einvolved said...

I think any sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is wrong and deviant - equally.

September 17, 2004 at 5:42 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

So would you support the FARM amendment?

September 17, 2004 at 5:47 PM  
Blogger lloydletta said...

Anonymous also asked a question:

How many gay families do you know?

September 17, 2004 at 5:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't read anything on the FARM amendment you've brought up, so I don't have a comment on it. And yes, I do know gays and have them in my family, church and even work with people who struggle with SSA.

September 18, 2004 at 8:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That wasn't my question.

How many gay couples raising kids do you know?

September 18, 2004 at 8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know 2 couples raising kids, and one couple who is trying to get kids. I also know a number of lesbians in relationships who don't want kids and have chosen to have dogs as pets instead because they don't know if the relationship will work out. In fact, most of the homosexuals I know have been in short term relationships and don't want to have kids.

How many loving, bible believing and obeying Christians do you know?

September 18, 2004 at 11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How many loving, bible believing and obeying Christians do you know?"

Well we'd have to get into the parts of the Bible certain "Christians" choose to believe and obey and parts that they ignore.

Show me one person who claims to follow every rule the Bible sets forth and I will show you a liar. Its very easy to twist the Bible to fit your bias.

Now then, back to my original point.

I know gay couples in stable long term relationships raising kids.

It seems to me that "Christians" like yourselves would like nothing better than to rip these kids away from the parents they've known all their lives (in the name of their own beliefs).

You're already holding rallies and submitting ballot initiatives to make sure that these existing families will have to spend thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees just to make sure their kids are protected legally.

Am I off base on this one or did I miss your intentions?

September 18, 2004 at 10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry Anonymous... how many bible believing and obeying Christians was it that you said you know personally?

September 19, 2004 at 1:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enough to know what self rightous looks like.....

Now then. Do any of you "Christians" care to tell me what you plan on doing with the kids of gay parents?

Do you plan on taking them away from their parents or not? You're already intent on making the lives of these families difficult (to please Jesus of course).

September 20, 2004 at 5:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell you what. Read this and tell me why you feel the need to punish real families.,1413,36~53~2412149,00.html

September 20, 2004 at 7:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting. I answer your question, but you won't answer mine. I guess this discussion is over Anonymous.

September 20, 2004 at 12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You've yet to provide me with an accurate definition of a "Bible believing Christian"

Give me a starting point and maybe I'll try to answer your request.

Are Lutherans "Bible believing" Christians? (even though they ordain women)

Are Catholics "Bible believing" Christians? (even though they pray to Mary)

Are Mormons "Bible believing" Christians? (even though they wrote their own additions to the bible)

Are Baptists "Bible believing" Christians (even though they have some pretty high divorce rates).

Or is a "Bible believing" Christian only a Christian who agrees with you?

You tell me what exactly a "Bible believing" Christian is and I'll do my best to answer your non-sequitor question.

September 20, 2004 at 1:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You sure like splitting hairs don't ya? :)

It appears to me that you really aren't interested in a real conversation here, so this will be my last comment to you on this thread.

When you decide to be serious and answer my question, then maybe we can discuss the issues, but as it stands right now, I do not have the time for your games. Bummer huh?

September 20, 2004 at 1:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well "Anonymous", I asked a pretty straight forward question regarding this "Battle for Marriage" that you people are intent on waging and you answered my honest question with a completely off topic question that really has no point.

I'd be glad to answer your question, however you've yet to show me what exactly qualifies as a "Bible Believing Christian".

From where I sit, it looks like you're trying to change the subject entirely because you don't have a good answer to my question (which I posted way before your question if you want to be petty about it).

You're waging some election year war on existing gay couples to deny them any sort of benefits for their families in the name of your version of God.

My simple honest question is what would you like to see happen to these people. They're going to be raising their kids whether or not you approve of it. What you are doing is simply making it much more difficult to secure the well being of their families.

I think its a fairly simple question to ask you to explain what your intent is. These people aren't going to go away. So what next? Are you advocating splitting up families to please James Dobson?

Should these families limp along in legal limbo? Should they be broken apart? Do you think the phenom of gay parents is going to end once you pass a ballot initiative?

Changing the subject to whether or not I know a Bible Believing Christian isn't going to make my question go away.

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